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	<title>Comments on: Google&#8217;s vision of Secure Elements</title>
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		<title>By: Eric VÃ©tillard</title>
		<link>http://javacard.vetilles.com/2011/12/30/googles-vision-of-secure-elements/#comment-4454</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric VÃ©tillard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From the business point of view, I am sure that Google will have to deal with MNOs in a way or another. However, from the technical point of view, I doubt that the use of the UICC will make things easier.

Just one simple remark: An embedded SE can be controlled, directly or indirectly, by Google or another wallet provider. By itself, this simplifies the security situation, because there are less actors to deal with.

There is one point for which the UICC is better, though: Total failure. It is possible (and expensive) to replace a UICC altogether if a flaw is found in the depth of the UICC. For an embedded SE, the only solution is to disable it or to replace the device, which is even more expensive.

About the PIN attack, I will comment on a separate thread, because some remarks in some articles are very surprising.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the business point of view, I am sure that Google will have to deal with MNOs in a way or another. However, from the technical point of view, I doubt that the use of the UICC will make things easier.</p>
<p>Just one simple remark: An embedded SE can be controlled, directly or indirectly, by Google or another wallet provider. By itself, this simplifies the security situation, because there are less actors to deal with.</p>
<p>There is one point for which the UICC is better, though: Total failure. It is possible (and expensive) to replace a UICC altogether if a flaw is found in the depth of the UICC. For an embedded SE, the only solution is to disable it or to replace the device, which is even more expensive.</p>
<p>About the PIN attack, I will comment on a separate thread, because some remarks in some articles are very surprising.</p>
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		<title>By: Manuel</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, Thanks for your answer! My understanding is that European countries and France particularly are strongly pushing for the use as UICC as the secure element. 
I have the feeling that the UICC would prevent some vulnerability like the PIN exposure that has been discovered lately.
Google will have difficulties to develop their standard in europe if they are not following the global stream !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Thanks for your answer! My understanding is that European countries and France particularly are strongly pushing for the use as UICC as the secure element.<br />
I have the feeling that the UICC would prevent some vulnerability like the PIN exposure that has been discovered lately.<br />
Google will have difficulties to develop their standard in europe if they are not following the global stream !</p>
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		<title>By: Eric VÃ©tillard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric VÃ©tillard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Google is using an embedded secure element, i.e., a smart card chip soldered in the device itself.

There is no UICC in the plan, because this would mean that Google would have to negotiate individually with each MNO to deploy its wallet. Of course, in application to the &quot;no free lunch&quot; rule, there is a problem associated to that: In countries where MNOs have a lot of power (in particular where they subsidize the phone), Google will not be able to deploy their wallet. For instance, this seems to be the situation in France (although this initial situation may of course evolve, for instance if/when one of the MNOs accepts to launch the wallet...).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google is using an embedded secure element, i.e., a smart card chip soldered in the device itself.</p>
<p>There is no UICC in the plan, because this would mean that Google would have to negotiate individually with each MNO to deploy its wallet. Of course, in application to the &#8220;no free lunch&#8221; rule, there is a problem associated to that: In countries where MNOs have a lot of power (in particular where they subsidize the phone), Google will not be able to deploy their wallet. For instance, this seems to be the situation in France (although this initial situation may of course evolve, for instance if/when one of the MNOs accepts to launch the wallet&#8230;).</p>
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		<title>By: Manuel</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, Do you know if this secure element is the UICC, or another card ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Do you know if this secure element is the UICC, or another card ?</p>
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		<title>By: lexdabear</title>
		<link>http://javacard.vetilles.com/2011/12/30/googles-vision-of-secure-elements/#comment-4422</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lexdabear]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 12:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe one of your first visits should be to Google? Of course if you don&#039;t have same dilemma as with Gemalto regarding IP :).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe one of your first visits should be to Google? Of course if you don&#8217;t have same dilemma as with Gemalto regarding IP :).</p>
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